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riipah

This is related to GitHub issue "Allow artists to be credited as their circle/group in the artist string". TL;DR: I was planning it would be possible to add both circle and individual artist to song, and then choose which one to credit. This way the circle could be added, but it would not be credited. For many cases this could be automated (for example though album links as you suggested). I think this feature would solve your problem as well. Unfortunately, I cannot guarantee that I have time to implement this feature. It would be several days of work at least. See the contribution guidelines page for more information.

Maybe it would be possible to fetch the albums' tracklists and display the result under "all songs"? Doesn't directly work for "recent songs" section though, as taking the latest album's tracklist won't work if it's a compilation album for instance.

It would be a very special query and therefore quite complicated. Also, the performance would be bad, without saving the circle/group directly to song, as in the above suggestion.

UtaiteDB has been abusing the support status in some situations to get the correct artist credit, adding both circle and person to songs. This is also a workaround, but it has more manual work and might cause other issues since the support status was not intended to be used that way.

Aemnesias

I've discussed this a bit with Nefere a while ago, and finally take the time to write this thread.

The issue is the following : circle's "basic info" tab's "Recent songs" section and "All songs" tab are pretty much empty. This stems from circles not being added to the songs' "Artists" tab.

A quick example : check https://touhoudb.com/Ar/34, and compare the "Main albums" tab to the "All songs" one. I've chosen this circle since I'm fairly familiar with it after contributing to it, but this stands for any circle whose release pattern include albums.

As a result, we currently have no way of getting the list of songs made only by the circle we're looking into. Why only? Well there is an alternative, albeit an imperfect one, which is going to https://touhoudb.com/Search?searchType=Song -> more filters -> search for a circle and check "Include group members", and then you'll get all of the circle's songs since those're listed under the artists pages "All songs" as they're tagged on most of the circle's songs. Now if you click on "Only main songs", you'll be met with the issue this thread is created for : barely any songs, when the albums and songs exist in the database.

The most jarring issue with using this alternative is that you'll also get all songs where any of the circles members were involved in, regardless of their circle, when you may only be interested in only the one circle you're querrying. If you're lucky, the members haven't ever been part of another circle nor contributed to another circle's songs, otherwise the result won't be what you're looking for.
That is to say, this feature works properly, but it does something different than what I'm looking for(get the list of all songs released by one circle). For instance, in 暁Records' case, I guess ACTRock isn't part of the circle anymore since his Twitter links to イノライ website, and he hasn't been credited for a long time on any of 暁Records' song for a long time now. Using the "Include group members" will thus also show all of イノライ's releases there, when I may only be interested in the former's ones.

The "quick" fix would be to credit the circle on every single song, however I think we'll agree that we ideally wouldn't want to do that.

Maybe it would be possible to fetch the albums' tracklists and display the result under "all songs"? Doesn't directly work for "recent songs" section though, as taking the latest album's tracklist won't work if it's a compilation album for instance.

And I think that's about it.
I'm eager to read your thoughts/ideas on the matter, and hope you're having a nice day in the meantime.
Cheers!

Kra

Drop could be a reference to David Guetta - Shoot Me Down

Nefere

@Aemnesias I find Melonbooks compilation albums annoying because their website and XFD credits only circle making an arrangement and not artists. Such info is only in an album booklet and I couldn't find scans of it. I'm not sure if "sources" in the web are legit or guessed out.

Thanks for checking this song, I don't know what happened when I was editing the entry.

Aemnesias

@Nefere , are you sure about Actrock doing this arrangement, and Dr.レイテンシーの眠れなくなる瞳 being the original version? (saw ACTROCK mentionned on the youtube video's description, the original in the description is also シュレディンガーの化猫, not the current one)

I'm asking because in their latest album( オマケベストなのか～その② ), Stack bros arranges this one with another original song( シュレディンガーの化猫 ) according to their BOOTH. THBWiki says Stack bros arranged this song in PARTYBOX02 and that シュレディンガーの化猫 is the original song as well(both in PARTYBOX02 and the new album). English wiki has blank fields for arrangers.

Fairly important, because it determines if two different versions of the songs exists, and if I need to create the new one as a result. The sources mentionned all say シュレディンガーの化猫 is the original so I'm fairly confident the current one is false, however Actrock or Stack bros isn't as clear-cut. I will leave the entry be for the time being.

Nefere

@Aemnesias Sadly, Soundcloud sets are not supported yet. Here's a workitem on Github.

An official website mentions 3 new tracks appearing on the album (新曲３曲入り), and based on a tracklist there, they are no.4, no.5 and no.11 (the ones with 新曲 - a new track). The rest are indicated by event's name (like 東方名華祭 11 - Meikaisai 11) when they were originally released.

Aemnesias

Soundcloud link must be clicked on(the "Ads / crossfades" label). Previsualization doesn't seem to work for some reason.
Also, the english wiki mentions that one new track was released with this album, but I'm unable to determine which it effectively is (track n°4 or N°11) hence their empty release date.

Nefere

The concert isn't listed on a venue's page, so I guess it's cancelled.

Kra

@TFisher93
Since this one seems to be shorter I would leave it as it is and tag it with the short version and remix tag

TFisher93

Would a "DJ mix" of a song count as its arrangement in this site?

Kra

I wasn't aware that I like electropop/minimal so much

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~ . . . ~Awesome Musical Album~!!~

~ (. . . P. S.: There are no ~"Unknown Characters"~, because this is ~the obvious Komachi Onozuka (~ . . . ~小野塚 小町~.)~ on ~the Album~Art~Cover~!.. [ ( :> ])

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~ . . . @Kra, ~"OK"-/-"OK'ay"~!..~ ~I~ just guessed about ~a possible "Touhou"~Character~ from ~Album~Art~Cover~.

Kra

I'd say it's Reimu but with yellow hair because of the bow

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~ . . . H-hm~,.. The ~"Unknown Character"~ looks like Reimu Hakurei (~ . . . ~博麗 霊夢~.), but with ~Yellow Hair (~ . . . ~Like Marisa Kirisame (~ . . . ~霧雨 魔理沙~.)~ or ~Rumia (~ . . . ~ルーミア~.)~.)~ or just like-... ~Rin Satsuki (~ . . . ~冴月麟~, ~Unused Character~ from ~"東方紅魔郷 ～ The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil"~.)~.

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~ . . . This is ~a nice Guy~ who gives ~Professional Sound~ in those ~Musical Directions~ at which ~He Works~ and ~Writes Music-/-"Touhou"~Arrangements~!..~

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~ . . . ~Very, very cool~... Just ~freaking A W E S O M E Vocalist-chan~, ~Her Vocal Range inspires Me~!!~ ~She~ also reminds ~Me~ of ~Her Vocal Timbre~ of ~some Ukrainian Singers~!..~

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~ (. . . ~Author's "Interesting Fact"~ about ~this Track~Arrangement (~ . . . Maybe it will be interesting to ~Someone~!..~)..: Despite the fact that ~the Album~ was ~Uploaded~ much later (~ . . . ~Special~ for ~"Redditaisai №4"~Event~.), ~I made this Track~Arrangement~ on ~the day of Publication of the "DEMO" Version of ~"ZUN's" Game (~ . . . ~I mean "東方鬼形獣 ～ Wily Beast and Weakest Creature"~.)~. ~I~ found out ~about the Publication~ of ~the Game~"DEMO"~ at ~03:00-03:30 P. M.~ and ~completed this My Track~Arrangement~ at ~06:00-06:30 P. M.~ on ~the same Day (~ . . . This is already considering ~Working~ with ~My Sound Design~, ~"lel"~.)~.) ~

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~My Favorite "東方"/"Touhou Project"~ × ~"Dark Psychedelic Trance"~Arranger~!.. [ ( : ]

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~ . . . @Kra, ~thank You~!!~ ~"Tags"~ have already been added.

Kra

@Gorkhhrebetguyt
Good job! Please make sure to tag bonus tracks with the bonus track tag

Gorkhhrebetguyt

I slightly supplemented the Music/Musical Album and some details in the "Tag(/~s.)"/"Description"/[Etc.], especially since 2 "hidden" Bonus Tracks were not indicated ~"Here"~ (~ . . . ~You~ just can ~Download this Music/Musical Album~ from ~"Violet Delta's" BandCamp~ to make sure of ~My words~!..). Enjoy~!!~ [ ( : ]

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~ . . . H-hm-hm,.. @Kra, ~I~ understand ~You~, ~thank You very much~!.. Perhaps later ~I~ will "rewrite" everything special for ~"External Links"~, but for now ~I~ just left ~the Titles~ of ~all Original Themes~ in ~the "Track Description"~ for such ~"Situations"~ and so that their ~Titles~ would then be convenient to copy and paste just where ~You~ want/need, and when the function of more than ~1 Original Theme~ appears.

~ (. . . ~"Update №1"~..: Huh~, ~I~ already ~"Fixed it~!..~)

Kra

@Gorkhhrebetguyt
It's not possible (yet) to add two originals at the same time. If the song has more than one original you have to add the other originals as external links (search the original on TouhouDB and add the page link).

And also use the multiple originals tag to mark songs that have more than one original song.

Gorkhhrebetguyt

~ (. . . And again, ~I~ can't indicate 2 Original "ZUN's" Themes at the same time. Please, help Me with this!..) ~

Gorkhhrebetguyt

@Kra, @Nefere, I suppose that @RedWhiteLampad could mean "High-Tech" Music, which would resemble "CyberPunk"~Theme/[Etc.], even if the Tempo/B. P. M. of the Music is NOT very high. At least I would have such "associations". but specifically as a Sound Designer, for example (~ . . . So I think that ~"Here"~ the interpretation can be quite different and very situational.). (´｡~ ω •｡`)〜☆

Nefere

@Kra @RedWhiteLampad I finished the entry. It's one of psytrance styles. Songs listed under the tag have other tags related to psytrance and its subgenres.

Kra

@RedWhiteLampad what exactly do you mean with "hi-tech"?

Nefere

According to a report:

Thank you for your opinion about English translation. The translation wasn't uploaded here by a translator, but was copied from another website mentioned above the text. If you want to point out errors and thank the translator directly, it would be better if you do it on their website where the translation was originally posted. We update the translation after the original one will change.

Kra

Another world has been found within

Nefere

@Unknwn Thank you for noticing it. Looks like this entry was used by accident when adding A-ONE albums. I'll fix it by creating new entry for the vocalist.

EDIT: fixed. I made an entry for the vocalist, as I said.

Unknwn

There must be mistake here, since Russian rock musician can't be female vocalist on eurobeat album, but I suppose there is no page for this Akane girl at all here. There is no page at vgmdb either.

Kra

Nightwish and Avantasia meets Touhou o-o

riipah

Yeah, that sounds like a valid use case. That child tag is fine.

Kra

Yes, I know that's possible. But I thought, since this is a database focusing on Touhou music, we could somehow highlight the OST by giving it an own song type (like we seperate Touhou related circles from other groups)

riipah

Maybe. Those could be children of this tag. Then again, if it's Touhou original, you can already search those by filtering by ZUN as artist, right? Because they're pretty much all ZUN.

Kra

Might not be that important at the moment but would it be better if we distinguish between original Touhou ost songs and other original songs not directly related to the Touhou games? It would be clearer for people who who explicitly search for the Touhou soundtrack.

Kra

Alright, thank you. I was confused, since the Can't Be with you tight remix came out before the original song.

Nefere

@Kra The date fits to 4th instance of Autumn Reitaisai - IMO an uploader forgots to add a number to the event's name. The same issue is with Kouroumu 13.

Btw, it very rare to upload crossfades few years after the first release (unless the previous ones were lost/deleted or a circle uploads most of their works at once).

Kra

The album was released at many events, the ealiest one was 2017/10/15 at 博麗神社秋季例大祭. But the event date says 2014. Mistake maybe?

riipah

On VocaDB producer generally means composer or arranger. Of course composer mostly applies to original songs, and Touhou songs are mostly derivatives, so I guess 90% of the time producer is arranger here. But there might also be situations where the actual composer role is used, for example if the song is just mixing Touhou with an original song. I guess they could still be called arranger in that case, though.

Kra

Isn't arranger somehow synonymous with producer here?

Kra

Petition for more chinese vocals in Touhou music!

riipah

A note about the discrepancy should be enough.

Nefere

A-One's event page and discography page have different credits for this track:
* event one credits: Arrange : Yassie | Remix : DJ Command
* discography one credits Arrange：DJ Command

Discography page was created later and IMO it provides more reliable information... I'm not sure if we have to include Yassie or not. Album scans would work as the best source.

Nefere

@VOISART_ID It's good that you're providing originals, but the best way is to add them via external links (Edit > Basic info > (scroll down) External links, like in this example)

VOISART_ID

Originals:

Maiden's Capriccio
https://touhoudb.com/S/292

G Free
https://touhoudb.com/S/623

Nefere

Could that be replaced by another rankings category for Touhou? Or is it better to be removed?

The original purpose of Vocaloid ranking (where the thing comes from) is to store lists made from fan-made rankings of most poular songs on Nicovideo uploaded each week. I found similar rankings for Touhou videos thanks to reddit wiki. The rankings list songs, MMDs - simply put, all videos related to Touhou - I don't know if all these videos should have entries here.

The rankings you're talking about are partially covered by top rated songs page page and hidden statistics page.

Kra

I've only seen this now, wow

Could that be replaced by another rankings category for Touhou? Or is it better to be removed?

No, I don't think a character ranking would make sense. I don't know the original purpose of this category but maybe there could be an arrangement ranking (which song was arranged the most in a month or something like that.)

Aaaand there is a bug that derivative songs from character theme songs (or generally songs, where a character is added to) don't automatically appear in the character's song list. You have to add them extra. Could this be fixed?

Nefere

It was discussed many times before like in this topic. There's a work item on Github where the source code is kept. To keep short, it isn't as simple as it sounds because of fields inheriting (subjects, lyrics), searching issues and stuff that could be easily ommited if not carefully planned.

The best we can do is to use multiple originals tag and keep links to 2nd and other original songs in external links section.