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Kra

@RedWhiteLampad what exactly do you mean with "hi-tech"?

Nefere

It was discussed many times before like in this topic. There's a work item on Github where the source code is kept. To keep short, it isn't as simple as it sounds because of fields inheriting (subjects, lyrics), searching issues and stuff that could be easily ommited if not carefully planned.

The best we can do is to use multiple originals tag and keep links to 2nd and other original songs in external links section.

SummerSnow

I've been noticing multiple instances among the artists I follow where they combine two or more songs for their own unique arrangements. However, we're only able to add one original song entry, so naturally, I think it'd be best if we could expand that option.

Kra

Okay, that makes sense to me.

Nefere

I listened to two songs just now (this one and Connection), and yes, both of them have the same "feeling" (especially first half of FINALES FUNKELN - a softest part), but uses the different arrangement, instruments and focuses on different parts of the theme. While FINALES FUNKELN changes with each minute and is more dissorted in its sound, a Connection's melody is more delicate and steady. It's hard for me to describe it.

Either way, both songs are based on Marisa's theme (and Connection is mixed with Reimu's theme) so they utilizes the same melodies, but it's hard to say this arrangement is the base for a later one. The safe choice is to put originals indicated by creators unless it's obvious that the song references heavily to another one. The example of it is this song by TUMENECO which is made by adding vocal to and existing arrangement with different title.

By the way, アリア＝外道丸 arranged U.N. Owen song more than 50 times - it would need much effort to keep track "inspirations" from other songs without help of the creator.

Kra

Then is it possible, that CONNECTION is an arrangement of this one? Because these parts sound really similar

Kra

Personal favorites are MAJOR ALICE, Round Table Minoshima and deadmino4ma

Kra

So far my favorite Album from FS. I, personally, am not such a big fan of electronic music with German vocals but this really got me. Even though the lyrics are pretty easy (and sometimes a bit cheesy, at least for me, a native speaker) the electro sound make it up. All in all a good Touhou album.

Nefere

According to a report:

Wolfie, you are free to edit this entry and any other one in TouhouDB if it means to make them complete and up to date. It only requires creating an account.

Once you create the account, you may consider requesting a verification of your account.

Nefere

According to a report:

Anyone with registered account can edit artist entries and change their main pictures. After clicking an “edit” (編集) button, the user can upload new, more appropriate image.

The edit button is disabled for unregistered users. To register the account, use this link.

Nefere

緋子望, I am the one who added this entry.

At first sight the entry looks like it's empty, but if you check "collaborations" (参加したアルバム) and "all songs" (曲全て) tab, you'll find works the entry is connected with. They aren't visible on a main page of the entry because the entry has set "support" role in all works listed in TouhouDB.

Nefere

The song is described by its maker as 東方っぽい曲 (Touhou-ish song), so I'm not sure which song type I have to put...

Nefere

Fun fact - a Nicovideo reprint was uploaded on a very first day of the video streaming service (2007-03-06).

riipah

One of the albums that got me into Touhou music. Demetori has very energetic style. It's hard to choose a favorite from this album. All of the first 4 tracks are great. Nuclear Fusion is a great song to begin with.

Nefere

I'm not sure about release date of the album.

• It was planned to release on March 13th at Reitaisai 8, but the event was postponed to May. I guess this date is written on the CD, and that's why Suruga-ya and VGMdb list it.
• The blog post linked to the entry announces Toranoana sale in April. Not sure if it was pre-order or not.
• The actual Reitaisai was held on May 8th, 2013 and the circle wrote a thank-you post on their blog.

Nefere

@HiganRen you can ask for account verification if you arranged the song.

The entry is okay, but I'm not sure about a state of YouTube upload. It can stay as original PV if it was uploaded with your or Higan Daybreak's permission but a description of the video says it isn't the case. If it's true, the PV type should be "other" - because the audio is the same but not the video.

Kra

Avantasia: Touhou Edition

Kra

Her deeper voice sounds much more pleasant than her squeaky high one. Please more

Kra

Yeah, that's it, thank you. I'm not good at sounding originals out^^

Nefere

@Kra I think I found the credits - according to this reprint the song was arranged by Tutti Sound.

The reprint was a second result on YouTube after typing "平安のエイリアン オーケストラ" (en. Heian Alien Orchestra) into a search bar.

Kra

The only reference I could find was this site. It offers download links to various songs including Touhou but no information about the song or artists behind it.

Nefere

I added Jigoku version as arrangement.

riipah

I think it doesn't really matter. Maybe it would be ok to add the "simultaneous release" tag, if they were released at the same game.

Nefere

Okay, it would be difficult to find out which version was "original" so I think it would be reasonable to let know which version "appears" in the game earlier.

In this gameplay (with English patch) a Makai route was listed first after defeating 1st boss. Because of that, I'm for Makai version to be set as original.

There's also some references from text files attached to the game (translations are on Touhou Wiki), but there's no specific order when both places/routes are mentioned:
* in manual backstory section, Hell (Jigoku) was first mentioned,
* in the same manual, in hints section, Makai route walkthrough was first described.

riipah

I think so.

Nefere

There is a slight difference in pitch between the Makai and Jigoku versions of this song.

If it's a case, shouldn't the song have two entries?

Kra

German Alstroemeria Records

riipah

That's how it's on VocaDB too.

Kra

Okay that makes sense to me. I'm gonna note this down in the description.

Nefere

I forgot that I added the tag.

Some illustrators I added (like Jon Suwako) create hentai mangas and a tag like this would be good to warn minors against checking artist's galleries or shops. I think NSFW tag would be used for any +18 content, like explicit lyrics, sounds (moans?) or external links.

Kra

Isn't this the same as explicit artowrk?

Kra

More or less the song that got me into Touhou

Kra

Well, this is going to take some time to listen to

Nefere

I found JEFF's blog (link) and he mentions a "charge of uniform" circle in one of posts. He wrote about a new circle and how it was preparing a debut CD (my Japanese is poor). In the next post though, he posted a activity list on M3 day, and even posted YouTube uploads (and thanked for upload). I think he's a same person as イロリ, but I'm not 100% sure.

I also found JEFF's U.N.O.￥!!!!, I wonder if it's the same song as イロリ's U N O \ !!!.

Nefere

Hi @Andromis, thanks for joining TouhouDB and adding albums. I see you keep them unfinished, so here're some tips how to make them completed:
* I see not all artists are added to albums, or they are added as custom artists (without link to TouhouDB entry). You can add artists by yourself.
* Song entries should be finished before finishing the album. They don't have to contain reprints or duration, but the most important fields to fill are titles, artists, song type (original/arrangement) and original song. Almost all ZUN's songs are added here, so it shouldn't be a problem, and it would be easier for you to add artists to songs by editing album entry and adding artists to the database before creating new album entry.
* You can add more information about albums, like crossfades (XFD, in media tab), official shop links or references. Touhou Wiki is a good source for well-known circles and albums, and VGMdb also tracks artists.
* If you can't finish album entries now, there's a possibility to add one of tags from “editor notes” section to the entry.

If there's anything unclear or you have some doubts about editing, you can ask me or anyone else actively working on TouhouDB. There's TouhouDB guidelines page and VocaDB guidelines (made for older but similar platform) for anything not covered in first link.

Nefere

I made this circle entry since its stand was located among other touhou music circles on Comiket 94, but I found it released only 1 album and 1 demo. There's no much info about circle's discography in the web and I'm not sure if info below are enough to create album entries:
* album "Apocalypse" was released at C85. It contains 2 tracks. Alice was there with Nagisa. source: Alice's tweet
* There's a front cover artwork for the C85 album on pixiv
* The same illustrator made artwork for C84 demo (posted on pixiv) and Alice/Nagisa icons (website)

EDIT: Nevermind, I added album entries. Maybe someone with cds would finish them.

Kra

Interessant...

BuckS17

Yeah that's what I was thinking, I'll leave it as it is.

Nefere

It sounds like a description of the one-time trio, not a properly group name. Maybe an inside-joke. I wouldn't make a group entry with them.

BuckS17

Amu, Myako, and Sui are credited on the bandcamp page as "3 singing lolis". I'm not sure whether to make a circle or something for them because as far as i know, they never use this designation anywhere else and there is no other information about it

Nefere

To anonymous user (sorry it's in English):

Many Touhou albums (Ten-ichi's too) aren't added yet to TouhouDB. You can create an account on TouhouDB and add albums by yourself.

MissTangle

I figured the multiple originals thing would be difficult, but I thought I'd bring it up since I hadn't seen anyone talk about it. My fault for being new. I'll admit that I didn't think about the inherited lyrics, since that's less of an issue for Touhou than it is for Vocaloid. I'd almost lean towards ignoring inherited lyrics for songs like this, since mashups tend to use lyrics from each song, so they'd have to be edited anyway.

I don't mind not having it right away, though, especially now that I know about the multiple originals tag. That's a good enough way to keep track of these songs for me.

riipah

And is there a way to complete the translation of the website? It's kinda bugging me that there are many incomplete translations. And since Touhou has it's fanbase in Germany, (which actually isn't that small as I found out) and the German Touhou wiki is pretty incomplete and mostly wrong I think it wouln't be bad if the site was complete translatet.

Are you talking about the German translation in specific? The German translation was provided by a German user of VocaDB. They did most of the translation work by themselves, including updating the translation files. I have written instructions on the VocaDB wiki. All TouhouDB-specific parts of the user interface can be translated in the same way.

For Japanese and Chinese translations I'm willing to spend my own time, but for all others I cannot spend my time, so you'd be responsible of organizing it yourself. I can offer advice of course.

riipah

And btw: Maybe the "vocaloid ranking" option for playlists should be removed, since Vocaloid isn't that much representet in Touhou.

Could that be replaced by another rankings category for Touhou? Or is it better to be removed?

riipah

While this topic is alive again, I would like to be able to set vocalists' roles in song and album entries. It makes sense on VocaDB where software isn't capable to do anything more, but there's vocalists who sometimes write lyrics or draw illustrations for their songs/albums. I think vocalist in this case is more important in song making.

That was an omission. It should have been possible already. I fixed that.

riipah

Do you think it could ever be possible to specify multiple original songs for arrangements? I've noticed that a lot of the songs that I've been adding actually incorporate multiple themes, and it seems like it would be a good idea to be able to indicate that.

This has been requested multiple times. There's a work item here. Reason why it hasn't been done is because of the open issues. It's not as simple as it sounds. Most importantly, certain properties such as lyrics are inherited from the original versions. How to choose inherited lyrics when there are multiple originals? There would have to be a separate selection for this, or simply ignore inherited lyrics for songs with multiple originals.

Another reason for why this hasn't been done is because specifying additional originals as external links a decent workaround. This also makes it clear those properties are inherited from only one original versions.

What I'm saying is that it's not impossible to add that, but it will require some planning work and probably won't be implemented any time soon.

Nefere

@MissTangle Good examples for vocalists who makes lyrics are Shihori and 3L. You can check vgmdb links to see on their artist pages how often they take a lyricist role in albums.

I feel like it's going to be off-topic but the question is still related to TouhouDB. I use rules for PV types from VocaDB (listed here). Any video is good to add if it contains the audio identical to an original. I keep to add videos you mentioned last as 'other' - they have actually 'audio reprints', not 'pv' ones since they are often uploaded with easy-to-make videos and images found on pixiv. Hard-subbed reprints of pvs are also an 'other' type.

You are free to create a new topic in discussions if you have more questions - it can be done by any registered user.

Edit: I haven't see Kra's answer... Hope it would help you anyway.

@Kra As for translation help, check this discussion on VocaDB.

MissTangle

@Kra And many thanks to you as well. I figured since they weren't technically reprints that they'd be classified as "other," but since I hadn't really seen any other instances of this, I figured I'd better make sure that it was okay. I think I may be able to find some official videos, but Nico Nico and I have always had problems getting along... I'll see what I can do.

Kra

@MissTangle
You maybe saw the different categories for video uploads. If it's just a reprint (like on Bishamontenreturn's channel for example) then it should be categorized as "other". Therefore, no, the videos just have to feature the full song (but it would be nice if you could find and add the official uploads as well, if there are any)

And btw: Maybe the "vocaloid ranking" option for playlists should be removed, since Vocaloid isn't that much representet in Touhou.

And is there a way to complete the translation of the website? It's kinda bugging me that there are many incomplete translations. And since Touhou has it's fanbase in Germany, (which actually isn't that small as I found out) and the German Touhou wiki is pretty incomplete and mostly wrong I think it wouln't be bad if the site was complete translatet.

MissTangle

@Nefere Ah, thanks for bringing that tag to my attention! I'll go back through the songs I've added and edit them to include the tag and which songs they incorporate in their descriptions.

I also think it would be a good idea to specify the roles for vocalists. I haven't personally come across any that have done anything but vocals yet, but I know they're out there.

Also, quick question. I'd ask somewhere more fitting, but I honestly have no idea where that would be. What are the rules for adding videos to songs? Do they have to be videos created by the artists (like PVs and, consequentially, reprints on YouTube), or can they just be videos featuring the song in question (like the sorts found on Bishamontenreturn's channel)?